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[nos_servabit]

Forgiveness.

[Hello, fellow Vatheonites. Jacob hasn't spoken to you in a while. He gazes at the camera with pensive eyes, pausing before continuing to speak.]

Forgiveness is a rather complicated subject. Everyone knows what forgiveness is, but when it comes to actually thinking about how to use it in a situation, there are no clear rules about it. When do you forgive somebody? Do you forgive them when they prove they are not the person they are? Do you forgive them because you love them and want to keep the relationship intact as before?

How many times can you forgive a person if they do the same wrongful deed over and over again? Can you forgive a person who hurt you? Hurt your loved ones? Destroyed all the things you enjoyed?

I think it's different for every person. It is your choice on whether you forgive or you don't. Though I would rather forgive than not- if you let the memory of the deed fester in your heart for a long time, it transforms into a grudge, and you can be driven to do acts of vengeance and violence in that state of mind.

Some people believe that everyone deserves a chance. But what do you think? Do you pardon the murderer, save the sinner, let the prodigal son back into your life again?

What is forgiveness to you?

[Filtered to Johnny Rayflo]

[A pause before he gives a sad sort of smile.]

Johnny, I want you to know that I will never blame you for what happened. It's alright. Don't be hard on yourself.

[A nod, and he shuts off the SFC.]

[ooc: Don't forget to fill out Jacob's permission post if you haven't done so already!]

Comments

[Video]

[angelphones.livejournal.com]

... It depends on the person. But generally... yes. You forgive them. You forgive them until they change, because everyone can change.

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

That's true. Though it may seem like people will never change their ways, they surprise you.

[ninthserenade.livejournal.com]

I... I think it depends on how bad their actions are, to me. There's one person I'll never be able to forgive from my past life no matter how many hundreds and hundreds of years go by. But then Xigbar--He hurt someone I love, but I could never stay mad at him. He was really the only friend I had for the longest time 'n I trust him. I dunno what his standpoint would be on the whole thing, but I like to think we've got a really, really, really strong level of trust between each other.

_{[He pauses, rubbing at a faint scar under his shirt on his shoulder.]} Heck, he even shot me once cuz I woke him up super early but looking back on it now? It's funny. But the other person? The one who I can never forgive? I'm normally a super passive guy but I'd probably throttle her fat neck if I saw her crawl into this place. She ruined the life of my Other--literally.

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

That's understandable. If she made such a horrible impact on your life, it would be surprising if you didn't feel anything like that towards her.

Even people who hurt others may do it for their own reasons. It's very rare when someone hurts someone else just because they can. There is always a complex explanation for how people act. It isn't simple.

[Video]

[nightknighted.livejournal.com]

I could have killed you.

...and, no, I don't think everyone deserves forgiveness.

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

Johnny...

[A sigh.]

You didn't kill me. I'm still here, aren't I?

And I believe everyone does deserve forgiveness. You are not a bad person. Quite the opposite.

[limitless-land.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, forgiveness isn't something I can extend to those who've hurt my friends. [He knows this subject far too well, has seen too much since he left home. Shaking his head, he continues.] I'd rather forgive, but it's impossible for me to do so when those who harmed others I know are trying to destroy everything.

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[A nod.] It is hard to forgive when the damage is still being done, I agree. And forgiving the people who have hurt the ones you love is quite hard.

[He knows. :(]

[Video]

[not-heavens-eve.livejournal.com]

[Rayfell looks at the other man for a few moments before she shrugs lightly.]

Hm...forgiveness is a rather interesting subject to be honest...so are deserving while others...not so much. I have to say it depends on the situation.

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[Oh, this is interesting. A woman who looks exactly like Johnny. Like a twin. He smiles at her.]

Of course it depends on the situation and the person you are forgiving. You can't take the same strategy on different people.

...Isn't that right?

Voice

[brbstealingpknm.livejournal.com]

Hmph. Why bother with forgiveness? It's a waste of time and enery and could be better spent on other, more worthwhile things. [... If Silver sounds bitter, he is.]

Video

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

...Like what?

[A pause.] Silver, did something happen?

[withoutasign.livejournal.com]

[Oooooh, who are you? Signless wants to know you better!]

Everyone deserves forgiveness, and a second chance. Even if they choose to wallow in what is cruel and wrong in their lives, they deserve your forgiveness, if for no other reason than how sad and empty their lives must be.

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[KINDRED JESUS FIGURE COME TO ME *A*]

Exactly. Whatever they have done, whatever their values are, there is always a chance that they can change. That they can realize what they are doing and pull themselves out of the hole they have dug themselves into.

[VIDEO, filtered]

[bethehugejerk]

Probably sounds weird from someone as pissy as me, but I've forgiven some huge ass stuff before.

[Of course this is filtered. He's talking about ~feelings~.]

[VIDEO, filtered]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[OF COURSE KARKAT he understands :)]

It isn't weird. Everyone forgives.

What sort of things have you forgiven people for?

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[effier.livejournal.com]

[Heya, Jacob. Remember Effy? Well, she has an opinion c:]

I say forgive them. Life's too short not to.

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[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[OF COURSE HE REMEMBERS HER he smiles, obviously glad to have her back.]

Ah, Effy. Welcome back.

I agree. There is no time like the present.

[ obnoxious teeext ]

[psiinusoiidal.livejournal.com]

[ obnoxious videooooo]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

Motivation? I simply had been thinking about it and wanted to discuss it. I guess some people back home would have a purpose behind it, to persuade someone else, but this is mostly an open discussion so people can put forth their opinions.

Yes, it is. We have many people back home who think about this all the time. Some even make careers on the mysteries of humanity and its existence.

[420]

[Oh yes, lets talk about forgiveness. He is down with that. For once a thing he has experience with from both sides.]

I think... I mean, I am guessing like, if you can all get your heart feeling right for it, it's real fuckin' decent of a motherfucker to up and forgive shit. I wouldn't all be fuckin' here if Wataru wouldn't have done that shit for me.

But... you can't just up and fuckin' all get your expecting on for people forgiving you. Even if they be real good bros and give you a second chance, you gotta do shit too. Can't all be pretending what shit went wrong didn't get its happen on. You gotta own it and...

Hahaha, all this wicked serious bizznasty makes my pan ache. Maybe it is just all better to fuckin' be listening to what your heart tells ya. It all be knowing best.

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

That's true. Every wrong deed has it's punishment. The world would be a chaotic place if you went left and right forgiving others. For they must realize their mistakes and redeem themselves.

Your heart is always the best source of guidance. Every time.

[Text]

[shattereddice.livejournal.com]

I don't know if I could forgive someone who's done those sorts of things.

[[Even if said someone's being horribly confusing now that they're in separate bodies and have talked for more than 2 minutes...]]

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

That's understandable. But what if it was somebody you knew and liked who did those deeds?

voice;

[foodchewing.livejournal.com]

Everyone deserves a chance? Tch. If they screwed up once, they're screwed.

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[He smiles, as if amused.] So, if you made a mistake, then you should expect nobody forgiving you with that logic, am I correct?

[Video]

[twiceinhabited]

[Quiet, thoughtful and then--]

...I can extend forgiveness, but sometimes it can be hard for me to do so.

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

It's good that you can extend forgiveness. Some people keep their hearts hardened towards others for a very long time...

But what, exactly, makes it hard? The other person? Your own feelings?

[video]

[nicknamingninja.livejournal.com]

[This has got her thinking a bit. If only this sort of thinking was around back home. Or rather, was around more often.]

Depends on who all it is and what they did, I suppose. Some people deserve to be forgiven while others don't.

[video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

That's true. But what sort of people wouldn't you forgive, for example?

[text]

[fallingjunkyard.livejournal.com]

[Video]

[nos-servabit.livejournal.com]

[A soft smile.] Of course I would. Everyone deserves a second chance.